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Judge: Good morning. If there are no other matters, i will remind the witness of his oath. Mr. Koumjin, you may proceed.
Pros: Mr. Witness, good morning. Sir, yesterday, you explained to the court that you went with Komba Gbundehma to Kroobola. When was the next time you saw Superman?
Wit: I saw him at Kroobola
Pros: When he arrived there, what happenend?
Wit: they held a forum
Pros: Who was present at this forum?
Wit: SJA Musa, Superman, Brig. Mani, Col. T, Gen. Bopleh. It was a commanders forum
Pros: Were you present there?
Pros: What was discussed?
Wit: When Superman got there, he briefed SAJ Musa that Bockarie had told him to work along with Musa to try and get to Kabala. He further explained to Musa that Bockarie told him to join forces with the AFRC to try and get back to Freetown
Pros: was their any discussion for plans for offensive after Kabala?
Wit: Yes. In the forum, they said we should go and attack Kabala, then to Makeni and to Freetown, but when we got to Kabala, we had problems there
Pros: Did it suprise you that Freetown was an objective?
Wit: No. It did not
Wit: Because we knew that when we came together, we’ll get back to Freetown
Pros: Did superman come with any men or supplies or ammunition?
Wit: Yes, he came with those, very armed men
Pros: Can you tell us anything else about the ammunition?
Wit: It was the same ammunition that we had brought from Gbanga
Pros: Why do you believe so?
Wit: Because i knew the boxes. they had different rounds that they were using in Sierra Leone and Liberia
Pros: What kinds of ammunition was it that he brought?
Wit: AK rounds, GMG rounds, RPG rockets and some mortar bombs
Pros: Who at the forum talked about attacking Kabala?
Wit: Superman and SAJ Musa
Pros: Can you explain what you mean?
Wit: Superman was the first who said so and SAJ Musa supported him
Pros: Who at the forum spoke about going to Makeni and Freetown?
Wit: SAJ Musa
Pros: What was Superman’s reaction?
Wit: He said when they got to Kabala, we’ll undertake the other missions
Pros: Was there an attack on Kabala?
Pros: How long after the forum?
Wit: the following day we started moving but we spent a week to attack Kabala
Pros: What was the composition of the forces that attacked Kabala?
Wit: AFRC, RUF and STF
Pros: Was Kabala defended by any force?
Wit: Yes, they had ECOMOG forces, Nigerian and Guineans
Pros: What happened when you attacked Kabala
Pros: We took kabala for 3 days
Pros: Were you able to capture the entire town?
Wit: No. We took over the town but we were not able to take over Kabala Secondary School. That was where the Guineans were based
Pros: Were any ammunition or weapons captured?
Wit: yes, we captured a lot from the Nigerian Contingent
Pros: What ammunition was used for the attack on Kabala?
Wit: The ammunition that we captured from Mongor and those that Superman brought
Pros: Can you recall any ammunition captured in Kabala?
Wit: yes, they had a weapon called FM, we captured upto 400, LAR rifles, Mortars, and some pistols and other weapons
Pros: Can you describe the Mortar Guns?
Wit: We captured 60 milimeters, 81 milimeters
Pros: What happened after the 3 days that you occupied Kabala?
Wit: They pushed us out of Kabala and we retreated.
Pros: During the attack, was there any communication with anyone else?
Wit: Yes, there was Superman communicating with Skinny, Mosquito, SAJ Musa was communicating with Brig. Mani in Kroobola
Pros: Who was Skinny?
Wit: sam Bockarie
Pros: Who called him Skinny?
Wit: His friends used to call him so because of his body
Pros: What happened to the forces when you retreated?
Wit: We went to Koinadugu town
Pros: Was there any communication regarding the arms and ammunition that were caprured?
Wit: Yes, Bockarie called and said we should send some of those to him so he can send them to the other front lines
Pros: What happened then?
Wit: After the communication, the commanders called a meeting and said the distance is too far to send the ammunition to kailahun. So they said they will tell Bockarie that they want to use the ammunition to attack Makeni.
Pros: What happened then?
Wit: After that, they called Bockarie. he protested and said infact he was going to send some people to go and collect the ammunition.
Pros: Did he send anyone for that?
Wit: yes, he sent ten people
Pros: When did they arrive?
Wit: I think three weeks later
Pros: What year are we talking about?
Pros: was it dry season or rainy season?
Wit: rainy season
‘Pros: How long after you were pushed out of Kabala did the men arrive?
Wit: Almost one month
Pros: the attack on kabala, was that in the rainy season or dry season?
Wit: early rainy season
Pros: Where were you when Bockarie’s men arrived?
Wit: Koinadugu town
Pros: Who were these people?
Wit: They had Liberians among them, with some Sierra Leoneans
Pros: Can you give us an estimate, how many men approximately arrived?
Wit: Roughly, i think 60 men
Pros: Can you estimate how many of them were Liberians?
Wit: I cant remember the number but majority were Liberians
Pros: was anyone leading this group?
Wit: Yes, Senegalese
Pros: Is that a name or Senegalese?
Wit: Its a nick name because he was tall
Pros: What was his nationality?
Pros: What else did you know about him?
Wit: he was the same Senegalese that i met in Kenema. That was when we were in Freetown. I met him with Jungle.
Pros: Do you know if he was a member of any force?
Wit: Yes, he was one of the Special Forces for Taylor in Liberia
Pros: So what happened when they arrived?
Wit: they called a forum, Superman and SAJ Musa, including Senegalese and CO Vincent
Pros: Who attended the forum?
Wit: All the senior commanders including myself
Pros: What was discussed in the forum?
Wit: Superman welcomed them and told them that they were unable to hand the ammunition to them and that they will call Bockarie and tell him they needed those men to advance to Freetown
Pros: Did anything else happen?
Wit; SAJ Musa brought out a decision that they should locate Gullit
Pros: What do you mean?
Wit: At the time, Gullit was in a jungle and no body knew his whereabout
Pros: What was Superman’s reaction?
Wit: He said they should form a battalion to go and search for Gullit
Pros: So what was done by Senegalese’s group after the forum?
Wit: After the forum, they told Senegalese to be taking care of the training base in Koinadugu.
Pros: Who if anyone was being trained at the base?
Wit: There were a lot of people at the base for training
Pros: What kinds of people?
Wit: they had adults, females, children
Pros: Did they volunteer to join your forces?
Wit: they were people abducted in Kabala
Pros: Do you recall the names of any other Liberians in the group that came?
Wit: yes, i recall a Liberian man called CO Vincent.
Pros: Anyone else?
Pros: I cant recall the names now
Pros: These Liberians, were they people that already had military training?
Wit: I cant hear the interpreter. Maybe there is a problem with the Mic.
Judge. Madam Court Officer, can you get the technicians to check it please?….Ok i am told it will take another 10 mins to get this sorted out so we’ll take a break and resume after 10 minutes.
Court resumes after 10 mins
Judge: I understand that it is rectified now. Mr Koumjin you can put your question again
Pros: Do you know if the Liberian forces that came with Senegalese already had military experience?
Wit: yes, most of them they said were former NPFL fighters and CO Venson was an SSS
Pros: On that battalion to search for Gullit, was anything done about that?
Wit: yes. They tasked each commander to give men to form the battalion
Pros: How many men were put together to form the battalion?
Wit; We cannot estimate men but when we spoke of battalion, it was 62 men but sometimes it went upto 150 depending on the situation.
Pros: was the battalion given a name?
Wit: Red Lion
Pros: Was a commander appointed for this?
Wit: One 05 from the AFRC
Pros: What was the final make up of the Red Lion battalion?
Wit: SAJ gave his bodyguards, Superman gave some of his, Komba Gbundehma gave his, and they added those to theLiberians that came from kailahun.
pros: Were there any other forces in the battalion?
Wit: they had the SLA fighters and some RUF fighters
Pros: Was Senegalese part of the battalion?
Wit: he was not part of the battalion
Pros: What orders did the battalion receive?
Wit: They told them to go and search for Gullit. They gave them a code that when they got there, they should call and get instructions.
Pros: What happened to them?
Wit: They were succseeful and they called Superman and SAJ Musa
Pros: Was there any communication about the battalion finding Gullit between the Koinadugu troops and any one else?
Wit: yes. Superman called kailahun that the men had arrived safely
Pros: What happened to the rest of the people that came with Senegalese?
Wit: Few remained with Superman
Pros: Do you know where Gullit group;s was when the Red Lion found them?
Wit: It was in Tonkolili or Bombali District. We used to call there Eagle Base. They were based between kabala and Makeni, and that was Bombali District
Pros: Do you know where they went?
Wit: They started attacking. They used to call when moving. They attacked Lunsar, Waterloo, Freetown
Pros: How do you know this movement of Gullit’s Group?
Wit: They used to call Superman and inform him directly
Pros: What was the group that you were with doing during the attack?
Wit: I was with Superman’s group
Pros: What was Superman’s group doing at this time?
Wiut: We attacked Kabala
Pros: When Gullit attacked Lunsar, do you know if there were any forces defending Lunsar?
Wit: yes, the Nigerian ECOMOG and the Gnethese
Pros: Who were the Gbenthes
Pros: They were the same Kamajors. That was how they were called in temne. The CDF
Pros: Do you know if Gullit’s forcese were succesful in taking Lunsar?
Pros: Where was your force when they attacked Waterloo?
Wit: We were moving towards Makeni
Pros: Was your force facing any fighting?
Wit: Yes, at first, we fought among ourselves and later we started attacking Alkalia, going towards Bumbuna and Makeni
Pros: What led to this internal fighting?
Wit: That was the time Senegalese was appointed as the training commandant. He beat up a trainee and killed him. SAJ Musa said he should be court martialed. Superman said no, such instruction was to come from Bockarie and SAJ Musa said he would not take orders from Bockarie. So we fought with guns.
Pros: Who was fighting against who?
Wit: RUF and STF versus AFRC
Pros: Who was leading the STF?
Wit: Gen. Bopleh
Pros: Were all of the SLAs together with SAJ Musa?
Wit: No. Brig. Mani, Col. T, Rambo Redgoat were with Superman
Pros: Who was Rambo Red Goat?
Wit: He was one of the senion AFRC officers
Pros: Where did this fighting take place?
Wit: In Koinadugu
Pros: What happened after that?
Wit: Civilinans went and informed ECOMOG and the Kapras about this and so they attacked us. SAJ Musa ran to the bush, so when he came back, we moved to Pumkin Ground. We burnt Koinadugu town.
Pros; Who were the Kapras?
Wit: They were part of the CDF. They were from Kabala.
Pros: When SAJ Musa moved with his forces, what happened to Rambo Red Goat?
Wit: he surredered to us and said we were all brothers
Pros: Can you explain what Pumkin Ground is?
Wit: When we got to the town, we did not meet anybody there, we only men pumkin in all the houses, so we called it Pumkin Ground
Pros: What is the real name of this place?
Wit: Yiria Filaia
Pros: What happened after you went there?
Wit: We based there and Superman said we should start runing missions to attack the ECOMOG forces
Pros: Did you attack any?
Wit: yes. We attacked Ali kalia, called Korankoh London
pros: Were any weapons or ammunitions captured?
Wit: yes we captured alot
Pros: Where did you go next?
Wit: We started moving towards Makeni
Pros: Do you recall when this was?
Wit: Yes, i think it was Dec. 1998
Pros: On your way to Makeni, were any other places attacked?
Wit: Yes, they attacked us for the first time and the second time we attacked
Pros: Where were the forces that attacked you based?
Wit: In Bumbuna town, the ECOMOG
Pros: What contingent?
Wit: The Nigerian forces
Pros; What happened after you were attacked in Bumbuna?
Wit: The attack was around Bumbuna, not in Bumbuna.
Pros: Thanks for the clarification. What happened after the attack?
Wit: There was a jet raid, i even had a problem on my thigh
Pros: As your forces were moving towards Makeni, do you know where Issa Sesay’s forces were?
Wit: yes, around Magburaka
Pros: Do you know if Magburaka was defended by any forces?
Wit: yes, the Nigeria ECOMOG
Pros: was there a battle in Magburaka?
Wit: yes, RUF succeded.
pros: Where were you when you heard these communications?
Wit: I was with Superman’s Group?
Wit: Where was Superman’s group at this time?
Wit: We attacked Binkolo
Pros: In which direction were you going?
Wit: Towards Makeni
Pros: What happened in Binkolo?
Wit: We entered Binkolo, captured some priests from the Catholic Mission
Pros: What happend to the priests
Pros: They were taken to Superman. I had some problems and was resting so i didnt know what they did to them
Pros: Were you no longer among the fighting men?
Wit: No. I was no longer among them at that time
Pros: Where were you?
Wit: I was always behind them, the back team
Pros: Were you listening to the radio at this time?
Wit: We at the back were the ones who listened to the radio, our own radio, FM, BBC, etc
Pros: How did you learn where the other RUF/AFRC forces were?
Wit: It was through tha radio, that was where i was, so whenever comminication was going on, i will listen
Pros: You said you had a problem with your thigh, is that why your movement was restricted?
Wit: yes. I had an injury but that did not stop me from going with the forces. We were moving and i was at the back.
Pros; You had talked bout SAJ Musa leaving Koinadugu, do you know where he went?
Wit: Yes, one day we were sitting down. The radio man called that they wanted to talk with Superman. He spoke and it was SAJ on the radio. He said Musa said he had no problem with him. he said Musa had joineed Gullit’s group and they were advancing to Freetown.
Pros: After Musa joined Gullit, do you know if there was any communication with Gullit?
Wit: yes, there was
Pros: between Gullit and Who?
Wit: And Superman
Pros: Was there any communication with the Red Lion Battalion?
Pros: Who was communicating from the battalion?
Wit: Superman’s bodyguard, Major CY
Pros: Do you know what CY told Supoerman?
Wit: Sometimes he used to tell Superman that things were fine and that they were moving to Freetown and sometimes there were problems.
Pros: Did he say what kind of problems?
Wit: Yes, when SAJ Musa got there, he put a strong rule that whoever wanted to communicate with any other station, he was to go through a procedure.
pros: What happened to SAJ Musa?
Wit: When they were moving towards Freetown, i understood that he was killed in Benguema
Pros: Where were you when you heard this?
Wit: We were moving towards Lunsar
Pros: Where was Superman?
Wit: he was in makeni.
Pros: How did you learn that Musa had died?
Wit: We moved to Lunsar with an advance team, with Komba Gbundehma. The following day, Superman joined us at Lunsar and he told me that Musa had died, there was a problem so we should get to the other people
Pros: What were the reactions of some of the people you were with?
Wit: Some SLAs felt bad but some RUF like Superman and Komba Gbindehma were happy.
Pros: Who took Musa’s place?
Pros: Where was Gullit at this time?
Wit: He was there with them
Pros: what was the relationship between Gullit and Superman?
Wit: They had a good working realtionship because during the death of SAJ Musa, Gullit was now communicating with Superman. That was after Musa’s death.
Pros: Where did you go when Superman joined you?
Wit: We attacked Gbere Junction
Pros: Do you remember the month and year that the attack on Makeni took place?
Wit: Dec. 1998
Pros: Who attacked Makeni?
Pros: Were you part of that attack?
Wit: I was there but did not take part
Pros: Who were the commanders of the forces that attacked makeni?
Wit: From our group, it was Superman, from the other group, it was Issa Sesay
Pros: Do you know if Issa brought heavy weapons for this attack?
Wit: Yes, he brought some mortars with him.
Pros: How do you know about the forces that Issa brought
Wit: Earlier, we were in Binkolo. Issa and Superman communicated where Issa said he had taken over Magburaka. The next target was to attck Teko Barracks. So Issa said Superman’s group should attack the barracks while he will attack Makeni town.
Pros: Did you ever actually meet Issa’s forces?
Wit: Yes, the fighting in Makeni took three days. We took the town after 2 days and the 3rd day, we took the barracks. So we were all together and we saw all of them. We were all in the town. I saw them with my own eyes.
Pros: During the fighting, did you have anyway to know what was going on?
Wit: yes. I was not at the frontline but we had the safe zone. I was based near the radio with Issa. Issa did not take part in fighting. I was with him when he got all his reports. So i knew everything.
Pros: Did you ever learn where the heavy weapons came from that Issa brought?
Wit: No. Some of the weapons they said they had captured in Kono
Pros: Who was defending Makeni at this time?
Wit: The Nigerian ECOMOG
Pros: Did the defending forces have any heavy weapons?
Pros: Did they have many vehicles?
Wit: Oh yes
Pros: How long would it take to drive a vehicle from Makeni to Freetown?
Def: This is a sweeping question
Judge: And we will assume that he knew how to drive at that age
Pros: He can be a passenger. Sir, have you ever been in a car from Makeni to Freetown?
Pros: How long will a truck take from Makeni to Freetown?
Wit: Like 2 and the half hours
Pros: What happened to the forcese there?
Wit: We distabilized them, we killed many
Pros: Was anything captured during this attack?
Wit: Yes, we captured armoured cars, trucks, combats, and other things.
Pros: After Makeni, where did you go?
Wit: To Lunsar with Komba Gbundehma
Pros: Do you remember about how long this was after Makeni was taken?
Wit: I think it was a week period. Five days, we advanced to Lunsar.
Pros: I need to go back to the attack on Makeni, what if anything happened to civilians there?
Wit: Most of the civilians, everybody got married. Whoever saw a woman will take her, some people looted.
Pros: What do you mean by everyopne got married?
Wit: We captured girls and made them our wives, we captured SBUs, gave them guns and got some civilians to work at our houses.
Pros: What do you mean when you say they made them their wives?
Wit: They took them home, they slept with them
Pros: What do you mean they sleep with them?
Pros: We are all matured people here, so i cant go beyoned that, but when you say you have sex with someone
Pros: Who had sex with who?
Wit: The RUF had sex with the girls
Pros: Was anything taken from Makein?
Wit: At the first instance yes. The first two weeks, people looted and later Issa said he was Temne and those were his people, so he started killing people who looted.
Pros: I think this will be a convinient point to stop.
Judge: Very well. We’ll take our morning break now. Please adjourn court to 12:00PM.